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Post by Kim on Apr 13, 2005 17:15:29 GMT -5
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Willie
Carp
I wanna be a Carp.....but I used to be a freakin MINNOW...for a while !
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Post by Willie on Apr 13, 2005 17:53:29 GMT -5
....Wow!..... .....YOU can catch one if you like Kim !.....I'll stick with all my little ones ....remember quantity, is better than quality !......
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Post by Kim on Apr 13, 2005 20:13:41 GMT -5
Willie if I caught one of those in our waters there would be no more little ones for you to catch because they eat all those little ones. It sucks to think that but there has to be a way to stop them.
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Willie
Carp
I wanna be a Carp.....but I used to be a freakin MINNOW...for a while !
Posts: 44
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Post by Willie on Apr 14, 2005 8:56:17 GMT -5
....Stop them ?....Hmmmmm probably work out like the zebra muscles eh ! Altho....I understand that them zebra muscles have cleared up Lake Erie....no more green stuff....is that true ? We dont live close to it rite now but I remember a few years ago that it was quite the swamp. .......Technology, progression, advancements .........Great eh!?.....Can the world catch up? Momma nature sure isnt this fast......These creatures would never have got here 200 yrs ago! There is always a push for the shove, ying and yang, we can enjoy the products from a different part of the world, now can we enjoy the 'hidden' things that come with them ? ....As a kid sitting on one of Nova Scotias' 'tea' stained lakes (Lake Pleasant to be exact!) we would sit all summer and catch 100's of wee Bass each day, and figgered we were the 'best' fishers......one day a man and his 2 small kids came and camped out rite beside 'our' dock. Of course when they see 5 kids on the dock ALL day .....they decide to fish too! Well there was enough of the wee ones to catch (we marked em and never caught the same one again!) so the topic of conversation was how 'inadept' they were at fishing.....10 yr olds know alot, if not everything eh !.....On the 2nd day the Dad hooked onto somthing huge ! We all stopped what we were doing, and mentaly helped him at the very least, The dad eventualy bumbled this huge fish to the shore, much to our amazement cause he was doing it all wrong, and we ended up with an EEL on the dock that was at least 9-10 feet long ! After all this excitemnt, the dad cut the line off, packed everything up, and off they went ! (guess he didnt like eels) Never did see em again ! The carcas laid there as bait for us for a very long time ! We were taking out fish from its gut that were bigger than the ones we were catching ! You couldnt put your 2 hands around its girth it was so fat!....eventualy some grown ups came down and thinking of it as some evil, stinking, polluting thing, shoveled up which was now our 'bait' and it was gone! We did alot of fishing that sumer .....not much swimming tho......cripes there could..... and PROBABLY was more of the things in that water cause you couldnt see 1' into it ! Besides the leaches in there were atrocious! If you were to go swimming....ya had to dive in at the end of the dock that DIDNT have the leech school ! But..... they are a different story! ...It sounds like the Asian Carp invasion is a matter of time....and my small ones have a time limit on their suvival, ...Man screwing with nature in his ultimate wisdom.......like kids that have to learn by experience....it will all end up like a dogs breakfast eventualy, and we will all pay for some elected jerks, big notions to get famous. What will our kids children see? Kinda hope that I'm gone by then !
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Post by Jeff_James on Apr 22, 2005 19:40:51 GMT -5
On the up side of the Asian Carp invasion ... This could become the number one sport fish in the great lakes , Think about it a 4ft 100lbs fish Thats one hell of a fight ;D ... havent seen fish like this in the great lakes since the day of the stergeon and at 32 years old I missed the day of the big stergeon in the great lakes , there is a downside to everything , once in a while you just have to look for the upside ... And let me pose this question ... if this fish will create as much damage as they say they will , Who really cares if we "sport fishermen" fish them out ?
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Post by Kim on Apr 22, 2005 20:13:14 GMT -5
Excellent point Dakoda, But by the time we fish them out there will be no more regular fish left.(so they say). I understand the point that this fish would put up one heck of a fight but it ain't worth it if it means no more bass,pike,and others.
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Post by Jeff_James on Apr 23, 2005 13:18:14 GMT -5
With the fisheries all over Canada there will always be lots of fish .. it is just a matter of getting the goverment to allow the fish to be released back into the wild . Yes we have great release and restocking programs in place , but it just isnt enough . Take the stergeon for instance , when was the last time anyone has seen this fish in the great lakes ? I am willing to bet most of you have never seen a real live stergeon . Well if you go to British Columbia there are 100`s of Stergeon fisheries all along the Frasier river with 1000`s apon 1000`s of stergeon that the goverment will not allow to be released back into the wild . They give lots of reasons why these fish can not be released back into the wild . They say that by releasing them into the wild they will create diseases amongst other fish , BULLcrap these fish have no diseases ! When a stergeon fishery in BC closes down the goverment has the expence of moving 1000`s of these fish to another fishery because there is more money in it for the goverment to raise and sell the meat rather then to release them and let all of US enjoy catching and RELEASING a fish that none of us have ever seen
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Post by Frank on Apr 23, 2005 16:23:47 GMT -5
Dakoda, You are right I have no arguments with your post. Although I have seen a real live sturgeon before up north near Sudbury on the French River, some guy caught two of them the weekend I was up there. I have never caught one, although I'd love to Well last summer a 100 year old sturgeon washed on on shore in Port Colborne (Lake Erie) and now the MNR says that the Sturgeon may be making a come back into the Great Lakes. That would be awesome, just as long as 10,000 anxious fishermen dont try going out to catch them.
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Post by Jeff_James on Apr 23, 2005 19:01:14 GMT -5
Well last summer a 100 year old sturgeon washed on on shore in Port Colborne (Lake Erie) and now the MNR says that the Sturgeon may be making a come back into the Great Lakes. That would be awesome, just as long as 10,000 anxious fishermen dont try going out to catch them. LOL Frank you are forgetting I grew up out along lake erie .. i know pt colborne real well lol @ "MNR says" , as someone who has been hunting and fishing since i was old enuff to hold a gun all i have to say about the MNR is the are right about 5.5% of the time .... the stergeon could have made a come back along time ago e.g. my last post "10,000 fishermen trying to catch them" ? lol the stergeon it as old and the shark species never in a few million years has the stergeon had to "evolve" they are survivors all though they do not seem to be aswide spread as say bass and wall eye ,, they are out there someplace they just make it harder for you to find them and it would take 10,000 fishermen just to catch one or 2 of these stergeon in the great lakes ,,, i would bet a million dollars that 100 year old stergeon has never been caught once in its life and god bless the stergeon for it on another note I would love to go back to BC just once to try my hand and stergeon fishing in the Frasier River ,,, truely I believe the stergeon it the greatest sport fish of all time , and anyone who is lucky enuff the catch one I hope they take their pic and rele3ase the great beast
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Post by Jeff_James on Apr 23, 2005 19:44:12 GMT -5
[glow=Blue,2,300]This topic has really peeked my intrest[/glow] So i went to google just to check out more on this asian carp and figured I would post this Carp Approaching Great Lakes While Barrier Is Stalled Asian carp, fish that pose a serious threat both to the Great Lakes ecosystem and to the fishing industry, are approaching and may enter the Great Lakes unless the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers receives an additional $1.8 million to build a second electric barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. The Corps hopes to receive funding from the federal government or contributions from the Great Lakes states, said Marc Gaden, communications officer with the Great Lakes Fishery Commission. Asian carp. Photo courtesy of Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources. The $8.5 million barrier, funded thus far by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the State of Illinois, will replace a temporary barrier that exists 800 feet upstream. The carp are approaching Lake Michigan from the Illinois River and are estimated to be 15 miles from the existing barrier. The carp are copious breeders capable of consuming enormous quantities of plankton, with no natural predators in the Great Lakes. "Most people recognize that this is a federal responsibility," Gaden said. "Invasive species is a national problem, and the barrier project benefits the entire Great Lakes basin, not just the Chicago area." If the additional funding is not received, the new barrier's design will be scaled back to half the electrical power of the original design. The barrier is expected to be completed by early fall. — Lauren Murrow
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Post by Kim on Apr 23, 2005 20:05:10 GMT -5
Wow good researching there Dakoda, I agree with you that a 100 year old sturgeon is very rare if ever caught, But like Frank said there was one that washed ashore in Port last year that was a 100 years old and 6 feet long!, They haven't figured out why it died, But at that age it is self explainitory. I am sure they are in there still, Like you said they have been around long enough and may have learned to avoid capture. But maybe they are starting to appear more and heck who knows maybe they will keep control of the asain carp.
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Post by Frank on Apr 23, 2005 21:38:20 GMT -5
Yeah really, Great researching there Dakoda. lol, I was just putting Lake Erie in Brackets just in case if someone thats not familier with Port Colborne can jump in on the conversation and know what body of water we are talking about. B.C. is probably a beautiful place but why go all the way out there?..lol theres sturgeon just a seven hours drive North in the French River. Any day you wanna go, Ill join ya, I wouldn't mind going back to the French River to do some fishing. Anyways that stuff about the Asian Carp is really interesting, but I dont understand why that article just talks about the US side trying to prevent them from taking over our waters?? Us as Canadian should be doing just as much as them into building this stuff to prevent them from being a nuicence here. Another problem with carp that is starting to rise, is the Mirror Carp.
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Post by Jeff_James on Apr 23, 2005 22:17:03 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300] This is a good thread , I would love to see more members get involved in this discussion[/shadow] Frank this is why i want to go back to BC for sturgeon fishing ;D www.anglingbc.com/sturgeon/home.htmlI say release the sturgeon back into our great lakes my money says a good ole canadian sturgeon can kick the crap out of an asian carp ;D
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Post by Frank on Apr 23, 2005 22:23:34 GMT -5
Yeah thats pretty Crazy!!! NICE FISH! I ain't saying anything else, Iam waiting for Dakoda.. ;D
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Post by Jeff_James on Apr 23, 2005 22:34:49 GMT -5
[glow=Blue,2,300]More Frisier River Sturgeon[/glow] These sturgeon were caught by Kurt Mayer on April 8 2001. 10feet 500 lbs. 80 minutes landing time
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